Here is old video of me just playing catch before I had tendinitis. I wanted to get some opinions on my arm swing. My pitching coach/physical therapist has now re-worked my arm swing, because he said that my arm does not get up in the high cocked position when my foot is planted. From this video, it seems like it is some-what true, but its not the case at all when I am throwing off a mound with a much longer stride, giving my arm time to get up. Really what I’m wondering is if I should change my arm swing. I want to make sure that my reason for getting tendinitis was the fact that I didn’t use my body at all, not my arm action. Aaron
YouTube – armswing.wmv
Thanks everyone, but I think I caused some confusion. This video was shot [B]before[/B] I had tendonitis (which was before the change to my arm swing was made), while I was just playing catch( this was about 5 months ago). I am now throwing pain free thanks to better mechanics, although my arm action feels unnatural. What my question really was is that does my arm swing look ok? My pitching coach/physical therapist has now changed my arm swing because he wanted to teach me his philosophy on it. I have been trying it for about a month now and it feels very robotic to me, so I will be changing back to my old way if it has no flaws. The video above is of my natural arm swing, before I developed tendinitis. The arm swing he has taught me is very similar to the one Dick has on his youtube channel titled “Arm Action Secrets. This arm swing just feels un-natural to me because I prefer bringing the arm lower. I ended up developing tendinitis because I threw all arm and knew nothing about full body mechanics. So my main question is – is there anything from this video that leads you to believe that my arm swing needed to be changed? Did it partially play a role in my rotator cuff tendinitis? What do you guys think? If it is absolutely worth the change, then I will change it, but if it was unnecessary and did not lead to my tendinitis, then I am just waisting time and repetitions to fix something that doesn’t need to be fixed. Thanks Aaron
I’m guessing that you don’t have a current video of you pitching. That would be great. Without it, everybody, and especially you, are guessing. The only thing I can say is that in this video your elbow is much too low. When pitching, the elbow should get to shoulder height by front foot plant. Notice in this video that as your trunk begins to rotate you’re throwing uphill. This will put strain on the shoulder. Again, this was not pitching off a mound, just you throwing so your pitching mechanics may look very different. You say you prefer to “bring your arm lower”. Does your coach now have you breaking your hands higher? Remember, down, back and up. This is natural. Stay with this program. I’m sure your coach/therapist means well, but no one in the country knows as much about pitching as Coach Mills. What does your coach say when he watches Coach Mills’ youtube “Arm Action Secrets”? Better yet, who cares.
Hi Aaron. Your arm swing here is not good. It looks like you swing your arm back toward second base and you twist your hand to show the ball to the center fielder. And, of course, your throwing elbow never gets to shoulder height. So, if your coach has you swing your arm down back and up with your elbow slightly bent and your fingers on top of the ball; and upon video review your elbow is at shoulder height when you brace up and you are showing the baseball to SS or 3B, then that is the way to go. Correct, is better than incorrect in order to avoid injury. -s
Why should the arm be in the high cocked position at foot strike? It seems to me that the arm should be coming up just after foot strike as the body turns to deliver the pitch… this is one of the finer details of our program here, and I’m not certain on this…so hopefully someone else can clear it up… always the best tim
Did you get tendonitis before or after your change? Why did your coach think it was your arm swing that was the problem? Just prior to landing your elbow should be at approx. shoulder height with your hand slightly above. You then get in the high cocked position at brace up. If you get to high cocked early then there will be more stress on your arm and less use of the body. Geoff
Aaron, In my opinion, you should get a video analysis with Dick and Ryan Mills. They will be able to thoroughly analyze your mechanics, and offer you adjustments to not only throw harder, but to do so in a way so that you are throwing pain free. When you get your arm up too soon, you end up musclling the ball, which can lead to tendonitis. My own son had to sit out his entire sophomore season on the varsity due to elbow tendonitis. He made some adjustments in his delivery, primarily through video tape feedback under the instruction of another member of this forum (thanks, Travis!!), and also worked on his conditioning, especially his core, and now he has been pain free for a year, and throwing very well. You could put your PT in touch with the Mills, so that he doesn’t feel left out, and can assist you in implementing their recommended changes. I know how frustrating this is for you, it was for me and my son. But you will get through it fine. Also, are you doing alot of exercise of your forearm muscles? My son found this very helpful in addressing his tendonitis. Regards, Walter
[quote=vumcrab;93842]I’m guessing that you don’t have a current video of you pitching. That would be great. [/quote] I actually posted a video last week, with the new armswing. Please take a look at it if you guys have the time, and tell me what you think. It would be a huge help. [url]http://www.pitching.com/forum/video-evaluations/20087-18-year-old-pitcher-need-feedback.html[/url] Thanks for the feedback everyone. Aaron
It all comes down to timing so that the arm gets up just before landing.
Just watch Daniel Bard or Padres Mat Latos. Arm swings down and then up and back in line with their trunk.
Pitching is a north-south action aligned between home and second base…not an east-west where movement goes toward first and third.
The more efficient you are the less chance of errors.
But you also have to continue to lift your elbow to shoulder height. More than likely you have been doing this since you started.
Need lots of conscious practice repetitions to get a different feel.
I’m sure I’ll get frustrated at some point, but having fun so far with this mechanics focus. Amazed at how much I feel I’m learning and Mr. Mills, you are absolutely correct when you say, you can see a thing without video. Trying to critique a pitcher live is a waste of time almost.
Anyway, I want to ask about arm swing. What is it called when a pitcher’s arm drops and swings way behind his back? For example, if I’m the catcher and I a left handed pitchers arm drops and goes way behind his back towards 3rd base?? What’s this called?
Next, is seeing a little arm behind the back ok? Often times, a pitcher will twist his trunk and when he drops his arm while trunk is twisted, naturally the arm will follow and be seen, but if a pitcher doesn’t twist his trunk in his motion should you see much ball or arm behind the pitcher’s back?
Should the ball when released from glove at waste go straight down and swing up close to perfectly in alignment with the catcher?
I realize every pitcher is different and some may be ok, but scientifically speaking, should you see much arm swing behind back??
Hope this makes sense.
Thank you. TW
The fault you’re describing is called “flailing.” Search the forums using that word, especially Dick’s posts, and you’ll find numerous discussions that will help get you pointed in the right direction. No pun intended.
Thank you Maddux Fan. It’s greatly appreciated.
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