I’ve seen and heard a couple of different ways to throw a slider. It sounds like you’re talking about, where at release, the two fingers are facing the batter and the ball rolls off the index finger. This would cause the throwing hand to be palm up or supinated at arm deceleration. Am I correct?
The other way I’ve seen it taught is instead of the two fingers facing the batter or in front of the ball, the middle finger is used to pull straight down on the side seam of the ball. This would have the throwing hand palm facing the ground at deceleration.
I’m trying to figure out the difference in a curve vs. slider since the slider is typically thrown faster than a curve.
Yea Randy I think the first is the most accepted way to throw that pitch. I dont know that I have heard of the second way.
Different break, different speed, different goals generally. The curveball would generally be thrown for a strike with the goal of the hitter mishitting the ball or swinging through a good one.
The slider would generally be a pitch thrown out of the strike zone with the intent to get a hitter to chase.
The slider is a pitch that has more left right break than down and the curve has more down than left right. Years ago most organizations were fastball, changeup, curveball and than has changed in recent times where more of them are fastball, slider, change.
Last year one of the reasons Greinke wasnt a effective (other than the fact he is a complete kook) was that no one was chasing his slider the way they were the year prior because he rarely threw it for a strike.
Honestly I am a contact coach. I want my pitchers going to the mound and challenging the hitters with good quality strikes. I will take a 6 pitch 3 ground outs inning anytime over a 3 strikeout 12 or 15 pitch inning. SO’s are valuable at times during a game but can be overrated. You need the stuff for so’s, but I think you should use the same stuff to let guys get themselves out.
Angel Borrelli, the Sport Kinesiologist who prepared the “First-Pitch Strike Warm-up and Recovery Program DVD” that Dick offered for sale a few months ago, has an article on her website that might be helpful. Here’s the link: Is your biceps muscle talking to you?
Good luck to you and your son.
I think Dick will probably clarify this but dumbells are almost always better than the bar because they dont lock the joints into a set path of movement. Dumbells allow each joint to move individually plus dumbells are harder to use because of the need to recruit more muscles to control the weights.
One of the best things that could probably happen for baseball is for the scientific community to completely understand the cumulative damage that repetitive head injuries inflict. More and more parents will decide it is simply not worth it no matter the cost.
Because baseball is a skill sport these kids can instead concentrate on developing baseball skills instead of “getting stronger” because evrything currently revolves around football.
Good luck with everything you are definately on the right path and its never too late.
The slider is absolutely the most stressful pitch for the elbow that can be thrown. If it was my son I wouldnt let him be throwing this pitch at his age. I would be concentrating on Fastball, Changeup, Curve.
If he can master those four pitches and he can throw with enough velocity the sky is the limit. Many pro organizations are moving away from the slider as the extra pitch and instead want their pitchers to have a good curve.
During the playoffs last year did you see how effective a curveball can be when Lee threw that big looper. Thats what I want my kid to learn because it is not stressfull to the arm when thrown correctly, it has a very difficult break to hit, and most hitters rarely see a good one which makes it even better.
Get that Bicep looked at and let us know how it goes.
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