<p>Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions regarding transitioning from 46ft to 60ft? Jump right to 60?</p>
<p>I would just go right to 60′. Otherwise, the brain will have to learn 2 distances. Maybe just start out on flat ground tossing from 60′ first, then head to the mound. Have you tried him at 60′ off the mound for a few pitches? </p>
<p>it’s been interesting. We’ve been throwing off a 60′ mound and he’s been complaining about upper arm pain. It’s never been a problem before. I made him take all of August and half of Sept completely off, so perhaps it’s just a bit sore getting back into pitching shape. We are taking it easy but are going 60′ exclusively.</p>
The arm pain is because he has to try to produce more force and he is doing it with his arm instead of his body.
Post some video and you will see the problem.
<p>Coach Mills</p> <p>Roman pitched 4 solid innings today with no pain. here is a video from the game. Unfortunately its a bit far away…</p> <p><iframe src=”http://www.youtube.com/embed/qQfpzzBjedY” height=”350″ width=”425″ frameborder=”0″></iframe></p> <p>Here is the address: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQfpzzBjedY</p> <p>Any thoughts are always appreciated. We also just purchased a video analysis which we’ll upload soon.</p> <p> </p> <p>Jim </p>
You must post video at game speed…not slow motion. It must be either a YouTube or Vimeo video so we can bring that file into our software.
Apps such as this or Coach’s Eye are not video files but are software that use video files. We cannot use them to analyze.
Also please post a back view along with the side and if possible the front.
<p>On it. Sorry Coach. Unfortunately I only have the side view as this was from a game this past weekend. As I mentioned I have ordered a full video analysis and will provide all angles (and better quality). </p> <p> </p> <p>Here is the full speed video:</p> <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhSw1mPfHM</p> <p><iframe src=”http://www.youtube.com/embed/9KhSw1mPfHM” height=”350″ width=”425″ frameborder=”0″></iframe></p>
You have to get me much better video. Too far away plus no back view.
Obviously you want to fix this arm pain issue ASAP.
I can see his timing is all off…getting his arm involved much too early and not developing enough momentum. Notice that his back leg never extends. He is not getting any back leg drive…which is the key to momentum pitching or traditional pitching as well.
Notice at ball release his head and shoulders are still behind his front knee…an indication he is moving too slow.
At hand break the lead leg must be in front of the rubber ready to start leg drive.
I would start with the hands high and then start them down and break after the lead leg is in front of the rubber. Get the body moving over the rubber then break the hands.
Do you have software to do side-by-side? http://www.V1sports.com has some free and for $39.95. This will allow you to put your son next to Thomas and compare the timing.
Did you study Thomas’s video on Momentum Pitching? Thomas’s father followed the Momentum Pitching DVD’s and I started giving him feedback when Thomas was 11.
When you get a chance do a bullpen so you can get closer and film him from all three angles.
<p>Great feedback on Roman, thanks Coach. I’ll get the video from all angles over ASAP.</p> <p>I took a look at Thomas once again. Definitely a big difference in the position of the head relative to the knee at ball release. I assumed that had more to do with Roman not bracing the landing leg rather than a lack of back leg drive…am on off base there? </p> <p>Speaking of the back leg drive… Thomas does appear to have a similar bend (not as severe as Roman) in his leg. I can’t slow the video down but I tried to pause it at touchdown.</p> <p>Given that…Should you expect somewhat of a different look to the back leg with momentum vs. a traditional wind-up? Looking at a Daniel Bard as an example…very straight back leg. Any reason why a momentum pitcher should look any different from that?</p> <p>Finally, do you have a preference? A’s or Tigers?</p> <p>Jim</p>
Finally someone who actually leaves their name. Thank you.
Try to keep in mind that changes in the beginning affect the end result. Also remember this: the faster you move the less chance of error.
If you move faster the front leg has a better chance of bracing. You are right he does not brace. But that could be the result of moving to slow…so it all starts at the beginning.
I would not expect a different look between traditional explosive pitching and momentum pitching. Some pitchers like Chapman get lower than others but that getting lower should be maximized.
I would not say Bard has a straight leg at all. I am looking after hand-break…not before since at hand-break the pitcher will normally have maximum back leg bend…then from back leg drive the leg extends or straightens just before landing.
What is your son doing for conditioning? Good core and lower body explosiveness will enhance Momentum Pitching to a large degree.
You might just have him start with the left leg or lead leg already back. and bent with his trunk leaning back slightly…and hands high on chest…not at the belt.
Focus on a good starting position so he can move quickly into the transition at the rubber, get low and drive with the back leg. You can teach the step back move later once he gets more comfortable with getting his body moving ahead of the rubber before hand-break.
Have you seen the Don Larsen video on YouTube. That was in 1956 and that is exactly how Don Larsen pitched. He started with his leg already back and then moved forward with no leg lift. What he did not do was get low and maximize leg drive. I think if he used a step back and maximized leg drive he would have thrown at least 5 mph maybe 7 mph harder.
Great feedback, thanks very much Coach. We will try to eliminate the step back and hold the hands higher this weekend. If the rain stops here on the East Coast I’ll get some higher quality video as well. Jim
Coach Attached is a slightly better side video of Roman’s momentum. http://youtu.be/ubgJImoxhAM I submitted this along with a few others mid-November after purchasing a video analysis. He loses contact with the rubber pretty quickly when he throws this way, I’m curious if that is affecting his velocity. I have also purchased you work out routines (including the new pitching elbow ebook). We will be kicking that off next week (no basketball). Jim
Jim, The foot leaving the ground is a result of his landing position with his glove arm elbow above shoulder height and his trunk not level so in effect he is throwing uphill…thus his trunk is too upright which results in the back leg coming off too early. Do you have software to do a side-by-side comparison? It will pay for itself. The issue below can be fixed by adjusting his beginning. He needs to get his front hip and front shoulder and trunk directed sideways at the target before he takes the ball out of his glove. The following issue are the result of how he starts. . Losing a lot of potential velocity. 1. not taking the ball out of the glove when he has his front shoulder directed at the target..thus losing momentum 2. back foot needs to be stable for a powerful pushoff 3. not getting up on the ball of his back foot just as his front foot turns to land thus he lacks hip rotation. His laces should be turned down at landing. 4. not bracing front leg – knee continues to drift forward 5. both arms too extended. Need to shorten both arms by maintaining some bend in his elbow during his arm swing 6. at touchdown glove arm elbow is above shoulder height which means his trunk is not level so he is essentially throwing uphill. The glove arm elbow should have started down going into landing. This will also help shorten the throwing arm which is too extended. 7. not flexing forward out over his front leg. Back foot leaves ground because trunk is too upright Coach Mills
Coach Thanks very much for the feedback. We have some work to do! Jim
Jim, You are not the only one. Coach Mills
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