Tom, Cant help but laugh at your frustration. I have been doing this for over 6 years now and have had alot of unproductive discussions.
If you really want to swim upstream use both Dicks stuff and learn Epsteins method for hitting! The great thing for us that use these methods is that we can “Prove” what we teach. Most people will never sit down with you and let you prove your beliefs however.
Just yesterday my son who is 16 had an extensive hitting conversation with kids on his hs team. Of course this kids dad was a college player and this kid is as arrogant as his dad. My son is the best hitter on the team but constantly takes abuse because he doesnt look like the other kids.
We have dealt with this pitching wise for many years and he just simply goes out and proves himself when he pitches. Of course he took a cd with a bunch of mlb pictures to school this morning to show this kid but I seriously doubt this kid will look.
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink. Keep the faith!!
Allen, Your son should pretty much just be throwing out of the stretch right now.
Eliminate all of the extra stuff and just concentrate on the nitty gritty.
Ok went to the ortho today to get a cast and a timeline. 10 to 12 weeks till we start throwing again.
This will never happen again. Next year I will take control of how much he throws during practice. When these kids throw every day sometimes twice a day with no rest 5 to 6 days a week over 3 weeks they are going to get hurt.
None of these coaches believe you can do if/of without throwing every ball. They can field plenty of ground or fly balls and drop them in a bucket. In fact you could argue that is much more time effective.
Oh well that simply means we will be spending alot of time over the next couple months working on the small things we need to fix.
Watch how much your kids throw!
Russell It could be a couple of things.
1) His mechanics and release point vary from pitch to pitch. He doesnt video.
2) He doesnt throw enough bullpens to be consistent with this pitch.
Both of those can cause inconsistency in that pitch. If you were to video him from the front you would probably see a variation in where his release point is. This would of course change the axis of spin on the ball. In addition he could be varying what his wrist does at release.
My guess would be this isnt the only pitch he has trouble controlling.
Rick, The first thing I would work on would be his weight shift. Notice that after he lifts his leg his leg goes down considerably before he shifts his weight toward the plate. This directly affects his arm swing because his ar is swinging without his body moving down the mound.
Get him leading with the hip when the leg just starts to move down.
John, Reread Dicks post at the very end he tells you why your back hip is lower than your front and how to fix it. “Once you get near landing get up on the ball of your foot and peel away from the rubber before your foot lands. This is why your back hip is lower than your front hip.”
One of the easiest ways to start over your back leg without having to think about it is to simply get to the set position with your feet closer together. I t really looks from your video like you never quite get over your back leg so just start closer. Then when you lift your leg you cant really help but be over your back leg.
Here is Dicks quote for tilt “You do not want to create any trunk tilt until after weight shift. So, like Daniel Bard, see how far you can move your front hip before hand break??..??then you can create some trunk tilt.” When you move away correctly with your hip (which I think you are pretty much doing correctly) the tilt will generally take care of itsself if your arms are in the correct position.
Fix your weight shift first and see if that doesnt take care of your tilt.
Dont worry too much Russell all of this is alot of information and it comes with time.
And yes too much of the minutia can be bad and to be honest with you I have never measured that and dont intend to. You can just tell when someone is leaning too much it looks really odd. See Lincecum.
Remington, Welcome and I hope you are figuring out your video. It would be great if you would sign your posts, we atre all friends here and if we are on a first name basis it is definately more personal.
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Just shoot me an email and I will tell you how to build it.
Ben, Last year my son ran into the same problem at an away game and it was difficult for him to adjust because he kept bouncing the ball in front of the plate.
But it didnt seem to be that big of a deal to the opposing pitcher. Maybe because they threw off it and were used to the difference? Maybe some home field advantage?
Instead of making it an issue go out there and throw off of it and figure out what little thing you should tweak just for that mound, to enable you to have the advantage over the opposing pitcher.
Just a thought.
I hope Dick clarifys this. I can see your point Randy, it seems to make more sense that since the only thing that is tilting is the upper body (belt up) thats what gets measured. And since the landing foot is the only vertical point of reference thats your base line. But that is just my ASSumption and you know how that works.
I am sure Dick will chime in here if I am wrong butsince ultimately what you are trying to measure is trunk tilt (essentially the tilt of the upper body) it would be appropriate to use that red line.
One thing to be careful of here is that most front views of professional pitchers are taken at an angle to the pitcher and not straight on so the front view would give you an inaccurate measurement. The behind view which is generally straight on would be more accurate.
What exactly is their definition of loaded position?
Why would anyone teach …….? Go ahead and fill in the blank here.
We all know how misinformed people especially baseball people can be.
This last week my son went through baseball tryouts. The idiocy of the coaches was apparent from the start. Case in point.
My son can rake. Thats not just a dad speaking but everyone I know and several professional athletes. Oh and by the way we hit for power not just accuracy.
This HS coach is completely enamored with hitting the ball to the opposite field. So during the 3rd day of tryouts he decides that he needs to change my sons stride and tells him that starting with your feet relatively close together and getting a good stride is only for pull hitters, and that by spreading his stance out and just toe tapping he could have more leverage on an outside pitch and he would be shorter and quicker to the ball. HUH?
What a crock of bull@#%@$#$$##@$#@#. So they want to build a swing that is based on hitting a ball that is low and away and adjust to other pitches. Does this make sense? What is the toughest pitch in baseball to hit. Dick will probably say up and in right? So how about having a swing that would allow you to hit up and in and then just allow for a timing or body adjustment for a pitch to any other location. Sounds reasonable right?
But not to these guys because of course they played in college, and the head coach pitched in the minors right. Keep an eye on what others are teaching your kids. We know what to look for and a diligent, but too many moms and dads (and obviously journalists) are lemmings and are just led over the cliff of misinformation and wrong beliefs.
Sorry this wasnt supposed to be about hitting just how people who are supposed to be the most informed, are the least.
I read the article and still dont understand. The biggest question would be do they?
Front foot Russel.