Case, That is exactly what you should be doing. Gradually work your volume up to that point. Remember you do not want to throw “rapid fire” bullpens. Throw in sets or 5-8 while taking 30 second between pitches to “map” what you are going to improve upon from pitch to pitch. Then take a two minute break between sets. That way you will not fatigue. The Principle of Overload states you must throw a higher volume in practice in order to be conditioned for competition. So if you are expected to throw 100 pitches in a game…throwing 50 pitch bullpens doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. You had better be able to pitch 120. Then you will be fit to finish the game or not get fatigued by the fifth inning. Major league starting pitchers leave spring training having not yet thrown 100 pitches in either a game or bullpen. And we wonder why they not only end up on the disabled list (about 25% by May) or why they start off poorly and can’t hit the glove with any consistency. They are not only not “fit to pitch” but skilled enough to face major league hitters. Good luck. Dick
I have been one who always hated long toss. I never played that much OF as a young kid, because I could field, and I knew that I wanted to be a pitcher at age 4. I always complained about doing in HS practice. Although I was one of the harder throwing guys on our team, I was one of the worst long-tossers on the staff. I believed that it threw off my actual pitching mechanics. There was always “that guy” who told loved long-toss and talked about how [I]he[/I] did not change his mechanics from the mound to throw that far. It was all BS. I almost always hated doing it. Now, in college, we don’t have mandatory long-toss sessions, so I have not done really any long toss in 3 years (the only exceptions being when I am just messing around with some of my OF friends.) For me, long-toss only made me a worse pitcher.
Dick, If we are throwing 2 bullpens a week heading up to 100 pithces per pen what is your opinion of days off between sessions. Is 2 sufficeint or should they have 3 or 4 days between sessions at that volume? Thanks C wagner
i used to think that long toss was pointless, but i came across this video on youtube, jaeger sports longtoss program, and i got to tell you it was very helpful fine-tuning my mechanics. the program is really all about keeping your arm loss and relaxed throughout warming up. even when you get out 200-300 feet. then when you come in, keep the ball on a sraight line, this way you generate a 200 foot throw slowly into a well balanced, contoled explosion from the body. i got to tell you, after this i noticed more natural ability in my mechanics, more velocity and no soreness issues. check it out. go to youtube and just type in jaeger sports long toss.
Tom, You bought the Kool-Aid. You bought the hype. If you were not keeping your arm loose then doing long toss is not going to keep your arm loose. Maybe a reminder to keep your arm loose was beneficial. The Jaeger program is ruining more pitchers than it could possibly help as long toss if for outfielders. Nothing in long toss can possibly transfer to pitching. In long toss you are practicing what does not occur in pitching. How can that help you. The biggest single problem that pitchers have for not producing more velocity is how they move from one leg to another. Long toss does not help you do that since you cannot do a crow-hop while pitching. “More natural ability in your pitching”. How? How does practicing one activity aid the improvement of another? Only magic can help that occur. Long toss have proven to be more stressful on the arm…not less. Whether you can throw the ball 320 ft or ring up the radar gun at 96 mph doing a crow hop from 60-70 ft. is irrelevant to pitching. Take that action to the mound and see if it will transfer. It will not no matter what the good intention is of the coach or player. Barry Zito was throwing 91-93 mph in college and did long toss regularly. He has done long toss all during his big league career and his velocity has gone from 91 mph down to low to mid 80’s. Alan Jaeger likes to use Barry Zito as a good example of why pitchers should do long toss but he does not reveal what I just mentioned. Where was the benefit of doing long toss for Barry Zito? Dick
First of all… I am no fan of long toss. My lefty pitcher now 12 has never benefitted from doing that other than to make is elbow sore. Although he loves playing outfield, he transitioned to 1B because of the lefty advantages and because he likes being involved in most every play–same reason he wanted to pitch. Having said that… about a year or so ago, one of the coaches in our rec league who is in love with long toss, brought an article which quoted Dr. Andrews as favoring it, saying it built shoulder accommodation. That word apparently is is term of art in orthopod circles basically meaning that the joint can be trained to accept increased workloads over time. So does long toss do that? I won’t be finding out because every time my kid does it, he gets the opposite result. And since he won’t be playing outfield much anymore, he doesn’t get that benefit either… tim
we wasted the whole winter on pull-ups an long toss we were so disappointed in the spring with the results. thank god I found you.Nathan is throwing much faster and his control is excellent 75 to 80 percent stricks.
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