Much better. If you look at the earlier videos, his arms go out straight and then stop. Here, he gets moving away from the rubber and then gets the arms involved. Builds much more momentum. Cal
My first suggestion would be to break the hands lower and later. Cal
Lee, You need to brace up on your landing leg. When your front foot hits the ground, your knee bends and your weight keeps going forward. Your entire body is over top ofy your landing foot when you rotate which is why your back leg makes the big looping motion. I wouldn’t work on anything else until you get that fixed. Rotate behind a firm front leg.] Cal
<p>PhD is a doctor of philosophy. That means you can explain the reasoning and rationale behind you discipline. </p> <p>Science has nothing to do with PhD. Critical thinking and reasoning has everything to do with a PhD.</p> <p>Cal</p> <p> </p>
Y’all, After reading my previous post, it comes off as harsh. What I was wanting to say is make sure your son knows the right way to condition himself and if something is missing from the program add it in. Additionally, it may help now that you know how to do video analysis of your son’s pitching mechanics but the ultimate goal is to have him be able to do it by himself. Eventually, he’ll be able to make the adjustments. Hopefully, he’ll be able to recognize during a game or bullpen what is wrong and make the corrections on the fly. I’m not trying to bite the hand that feeds me, just saying that as your son progresses, he’s the one that needs to recognize problems and make corrections. Cal
<p>Y’all,</p> <p>I’ve got some sad, sad news for you. It doesn’t get better at college.</p> <p>My son got almost a full ride at D1 between athletics and academics. We loved the pitching coach while we were being recruited. Did almost everything in alignment with Dick but unfortunately, both of his parents fell ill and moved into full time care so he left to be close to them. His replacement is trying to do the same things but he just doesn’t get it.</p> <p>They videotape a lot but don’t review with the players. The coaches do some internal analysis but it isn’t shared. I went down for parents weekend and videotaped and found a couple of serious problems that had crept back in and we’re working to address. He’s got an ipad with the Coach’s Eye program and he’ll be taping his next few pens (if pitching coach allows)</p> <p>My son missed the first two weeks of fall practice because he couldn’t run fast enough. Team rule is that everyone must be able to run 2 miles in 14 minutes, no exceptions. I have to think several MLB pitchers would fail that test, but my son dug down and got into running shape. In the end, it got him much more serious about conditioning so I’m not going to complain.</p> <p>Thankfully, they’re not long toss crazy. They’ll do interval throwing on flat ground and stretch out longer than I think wise but nobody (except a couple upper classmen) are distance fiends.</p> <p>Thank God their conditioning program is almost 100% in alignment with Dick. The current guy just took the old coach’s program and ran with it. Would like a bit more lateral motion exercises in the program but my son knows how to work them in.</p> <p>To use an analogy, the roller coaster is still climbing up that first big hill. The exciting part will be coming soon. I’m trying to load a picture of my son’s dorm with Dick’s “Big Game Pitcher” poster over his bed but can’t get the web page SW to accommodate.</p> <p>Cal</p> <p> </p>
<p>Apologies to ESPN, it was on NBC’s new sports channel.</p> <p>Cal</p> <p> </p>
When Noah gets to the top of his leg lift, his back leg buckles. You can see this on the later pitches on the second video.
What you want to do is lock in the posture of the back leg at the start of the delivery and don’t change it until you’re well on your way to home. When the lead leg is up, push lead hip towards home without bending the back leg. Until this is fixed, it doesn’t matter what you do with the rest of the delivery.
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I think it..s helpful in these arguments onlong toss.. to break the discussion into 2 separate categories.
The first would be true long toss. The skill the outfielders need to get a hard accurate throw from deep in the outfield to a cut-off man 200+ feet away. To get that distance, the posture of the fielder changes during the throw to get an arc on the ball to assist in the carry of the baseball. The back leg collapses so the trunk can point upwards.
The second is high-velocity flat ground throwing. This would be akin to what SS..s and 3B..s do. Rifle the ball as hard as they can to a target 120 feet away on a line. This is a skill every baseball player needs (e.g. pitchers backing up the catcher and having to throw to second when the ball gets by)
Now, since neither of these activities are actually pitching, we need to accept them (as a pitcher) for what they are: conditioning. I don..t believe there is any disagreement that pitchers need to be on specific, regimented conditioning programs and part of that conditioning is throwing the baseball. Since at lower levels, mounds and catchers aren’t always available, the question then becomes, which training exercise is more beneficial to a pitcher? Provided each is done with the same intensity and velocity, the one closest to pitching mechanics and an exact match to actual game situations: bee-line throw to a target is the obvious choice.
When you hear someone say,pitchers shouldn..t do long toss.., don..t assume it means there isn..t a need for flat ground throwing. The issue for long toss is the deviation from normal throwing mechanics in order to get air under the ball for greater carry.
Travel coaches are easier to deal with because you can change teams if there’s a strong disagreement. High school is absolutely the worst situation we’ve been involved with. Fingers are crossed for college…
Up, Out, Down. The question is, how far do you go out before lowering the leg??? Enough to get your body away from the rubber and momentum started. Try this.?? Start from the stretch.?? Perform you motion and when you get to the leg lift, see how long you can keep it in the air as you push away from the rubber.?? Do a??few inches at first and then progress to longer and longer distances until it seems like you’re going to fall forward.?? Back it off a notch and see if you can maintain. As always, videotape. Cal
A video of your pitching would be very beneficial for this discussion.
Looks much, much better.???? You’ve eliminated lots of non-beneficial movement. You look OK w.r.t. throwing over the front leg. Cal
You need to be at or just prior to landing before rotation occurs.
Think of it this way. At the top of your leg lift, you have set the orientation of your hips and upper body. Those will not change until you are ready to throw the ball. Hips will open up on landing as your landing foot begins pointing towards home. If you look at the head-on view for the good pitchers, they keep the same orientation all the way through leg drive.
If you start rotating your upper body as you’re driving towards home, that’s a cue to the rest of your body to start throwing and your timing will break down.
Set the orientation at leg lift. Keep it during the drive towards home.
Not entirely the outside portion of your foot. You still need good contact with the ground. The best way I can say it is try to wedge your foot into the intersection of the ground and the rubber. Keep that contact for as long as you can (until your lateral movement pulls you off the rubber).